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Die LMS die! You too PLE!
, , November 24, 2005
Commentary by Stephen Downes

Some interesting reaction to the advocacy of the Personal Learning Environment (PLE) that has been floating around recently. "The VLE, LMS and PLE are the same. A suggestion that the Internet, and informal networked learning are not enough. That people still need to come to school to learn. That people need to distinguish learning from life, that people need to download and install an application that will solve their learning needs." I am sympathetic to this view, and wonder whether we would need a PLE at all if we had a more generic application (we don't, yet) that performed the same function. Total: 2376
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Re: Die LMS die! You too PLE!

I think Leigh's point is that we do indeed already have a generic application and its name is "the internet". There's no need to re-invent it in microcosm under any institutional umbrella, no need to break existing standards for exchanging information, no need to require submission to a password protected and owned-by-somebody-else environment. [Comment] [Permalink]

Re: Die LMS die! You too PLE!

The problem is that "the internet" is a network using a collection of different protocols and applications. This can be very confusing to people. I think we need to look at an app that uses the internet as it is, yet hides the complexity from the learner. Something like what a feed reader does. [Comment] [Permalink]

Re: Die LMS die! You too PLE!

I think the Internet recognises its own problem, and will reinvent itself to be much simpler in time. I haven't seen any educational developments contribute much to that yet, and any atempt freeze frame the Net so schools can make it easier, will quickly be made redundent I suspect. So we might as well let go a bit, and decide if it is now that we want to start using the real thing, or wait longer for the real thing to get more real. [Comment] [Permalink]

Re: Die LMS die! You too PLE!

If by more real you mean more stable, I don't think its going to happen any time soon. The net is constantly changing, with new services all the time. Now is as good a time as any to jump aboard. I'm currently trying to build a system where my train of thought is not constantly interupted by the mechanics of negotiating the internet. Any thoughts on how it should work? [Comment] [Permalink]

Re: Die LMS die! You too PLE!

Hmm, I think RSS is quite good. I've been meaning to take the all too many feeds I read, and blend them all into one using Its still mechanical I guess, but makes it all so simple once done. Especially because I'd rather get my reading done off line. WIth a suprGlu feed, I only have to open the page, then disconnect, print, what ever, and I'm off and away. Can't do that with other web based RSS readers. [Comment] [Permalink]

Re: Die LMS die! You too PLE!

The distinction between V/PLE is perhaps at the heart of the problem. Why not PKM (Personal Knowledge Management)? It is quite easy to set up PKM if you base it on meta-data, and map out (with graphics to taste: linear, mind map, 'visual-thesaurus' type etc) the conceptual organisation of a topic, with links to content which is on the other side of a browser (internet &/or intranet). That way you can share your meta-data, and any recipient can cut, prune and paste branches of your map, and customise it to fit their needs for that topic. Or stay with your map if it fits thier needs. Note: "for that topic" as it pertains to their work/life/pleasure/interests, and not as it pertains to 'learning' per se. Learning becomes just a subordinate element/set within how you approach a particular topic. The problem with educators is that they think everyone wants to be learning all the time. Roy Williams. [Comment] [Permalink]

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