Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Canadian proverbs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: DELETE. Current version of the article has no quotes. FloNight♥♥♥ 07:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is scarcely a list of Canadian proverbs. Most are British. I see that UDScott added a PROD notice but the author removed it so VfD is appropriate. — Ole.Holm 18:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Vote closes: 19:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom but also because nothing is sourced. ~ UDScott 18:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and UDScott. - InvisibleSun 03:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE Nothing is sourced on ANY of the 'quotations' pages - why single out the Canadian page for deletion? the notice was unwarranted, otherwise a notice should be added for almost all other quotes; proverbs can overlap countries - you'll find significant overlap between U.S. and British proverbs -- and it is very annoying to respond to anonymous critics threatening to delete pages with essentially no justification Downes 17:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE In the variety of possible proverbs can appear very region specific significances too. So it is a good starting point for future granularity. No sense to delete it at all. --Andreas Auwaerter 18:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: editor's only contribution to Wikiquote is this vote. BD2412 T 19:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• DO NOT DELETE While this entry can be much improved, it should stay here for someone to do just that. There are many unique Canadian proverbs in both English and French. There is no reason to delete this. —This unsigned comment is by Pwmartin (talk • contribs) .
  • Note: editor's only contribution to Wikiquote is this vote. BD2412 T 19:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a hoax. "Live and learn" is a Canadian proverb? "Too many cooks will spoil the broth"? If we have pages of unsourced proverbs from other cultures, delete those as well. BD2412 T 19:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Actually, the overwhelming majority of content in Category:Proverbs is unsourced, and well larded with nonsense. ~ Ningauble 19:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep--216.36.131.161 20:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC) Just added a few more. Not reason to delete this.[reply]

Do Not Delete: I agree with Stephen Downes, no need to delete this. Richard.

Keep - give this page a chance to grow. Building and sourcing happen over time. Other proverb proverb pages are significantly worse. Mellen22 20:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Clearly, some recent additions to the list such as Fill your boots and Not the crispest pickle in the jar are not proverbs in any sense I recognise. Should the list be kept, they should be removed together with proverbs that are undoubtedly British.--Ole.Holm 20:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The paper dictionary on my desk (Meriam-Webster Dictionary 1974) says, "a pithy popular saying," which those certainly seem to be. I think you are saying that a proverb should offer some advice for a course of action? That seems logical to me. Just to beat what I'm hoping is a dead horse, the American proverbs page has: "Ugliness goes all the way down to the soul", and "Whatever floats your boat, sailor" and "When the cat's away, the mice will play" none of which seem to fit into the advice category. Mellen22 20:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The Concise Oxford Dictionary says "a short, pithy saying in general use, held to embody a general truth". I'd agree that the second American proverb fails that test but I think the others don't.--Ole.Holm 20:53, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment So, write a new page about what proverbs are, or should be, with funny examples from various countries. But leave the Canadian proverb page BE.
• Keep: Why should this page be held to a significantly higher standard for sourcing than the rest of the proverbs pages? Yes, generally everything should be sourced and original research should be avoided. If we were talking about quotes attributed to a person, especially a living person, I'd be right there with you deleting the OR. But the standard for proverbs should be lower because of the nature of the content and the complete lack of harm done to any individual. That's internally consistent with how the other proverbs pages have been handled. That said, it would be good if someone could get a hold of this book of Canadian proverbs to confirm a few and add some other unique ones. I see that other proverbs pages have explanations to clarify the meaning (which can be confusing if you're from another culture; I would struggle to understand the truths in the Korean proverbs without explanation, for example). This article could use some of that additional support. WeisheitSuchen 10:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: I really don't know what to decide on this page.(StarWarsFanBoy 21:53, 11 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]

• Delete. Page only consists of unsourced material. Cirt (talk) 00:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I removed all the unsourced quotes. Now the page has no sourced quotes. I also removed some of the unsigned posts to this page itself. The above first three all caps, all bolded comments, are likely socks. Cirt (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  In doing so, you removed all alleged proverbs from the page. Why not just close the vote if you think consensus had been established? If you think not, blanking the page would appear to prejudge the outcome. ~ Ningauble 15:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.